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| 0007172 | Part 01: TTCN-3 Core Language | Clarification | public | 10-09-2015 10:35 | 14-12-2015 13:03 | ||||
| Reporter | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | ||||||||
| Assigned To | Gyorgy Rethy | ||||||||
| Priority | normal | Severity | minor | Reproducibility | have not tried | ||||
| Status | closed | Resolution | fixed | ||||||
| Platform | OS | OS Version | |||||||
| Product Version | v4.7.1 (published 2015-06) | ||||||||
| Target Version | v4.8.1 (published 2016-07) | Fixed in Version | v4.8.1 (published 2016-07) | ||||||
| Summary | 0007172: Is variable initialization with undefined function result allowed? | ||||||||
| Description | It is forbidden to assign a variable an undefined value, but it is allowed to explicitly initialize with -, i.e. leave it explicitly uninitialized. The intent of this was to disallow uninitializing things that are already initialized. Therefore, it should be clarified that variable initialization with a function call that returns an uninitialized result is allowed (in my understanding, it is, but some customers question that). Also, maybe the restriction should be relaxed to apply only to (partially) initialized variables. I.e. assignment of uninitialized to an uninitialized variable should be allowed, as it can not be harmful. | ||||||||
| Tags | technically agreed | ||||||||
| Clause Reference(s) | 11.1, 11.2, 19 | ||||||||
| Source (company - Author) | Testing Technologies - Jacob Wieland | ||||||||
| Attached Files |  CR7172_resolution_v1.docx [^] (91,441 bytes) 23-09-2015 17:54 CR7172_resolution_v2.docx [^] (103,298 bytes) 24-09-2015 15:33 CR7172_resolution_v3.docx [^] (103,083 bytes) 24-09-2015 16:36 CR7172_resolution_v4.docx [^] (105,421 bytes) 25-09-2015 09:55 CR7172_resolution_v5.docx [^] (107,562 bytes) 25-09-2015 13:50 CR7172_resolution_v6.docx [^] (105,950 bytes) 13-10-2015 16:54 CR7172_resolution_v7.docx [^] (109,746 bytes) 13-10-2015 17:26 CR7172_resolution_v8.docx [^] (112,222 bytes) 16-10-2015 08:39 CR7172_resolution_v8-Comments.docx [^] (84,298 bytes) 16-10-2015 10:54 CR7172_resolution_v9.docx [^] (113,761 bytes) 02-11-2015 15:58 CR7172_resolution_v10.docx [^] (132,430 bytes) 03-11-2015 10:42 | ||||||||
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(0013235) Gyorgy Rethy (reporter) 22-09-2015 10:13 |
STF discussion: clarify that initialization is an assignment. Check also functions returning uninitialized. |
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(0013280) Gyorgy Rethy (reporter) 23-09-2015 17:56 |
Proposed resolution is in CR7172_resolution_v1.docx. Please review. |
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(0013286) Jacob Wieland - Spirent (reporter) 24-09-2015 10:53 |
Unfortunately, this proposal does not solve the problem. Defining initialization does not carry over the restrictions of the Assignment statement to the initialization assignment part of the variable declaration statement. You are confusing the concept of assignment with the Assignment sintatement. The Assignment statement is a syntactical structure. Thus, all restrictions in the section Assignments is only applicable to those statements (unless stated otherwise). What would be helpful would be adding in the Declaring Variables section that all restrictions on Assignment statements in the Assignments section also apply to the initialization part. |
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(0013298) Gyorgy Rethy (reporter) 24-09-2015 16:39 |
In CR7172_resolution_v3.docx restrictions are added to the value variable, template variable and template clauses. Also a sentence is added to the completely initialized definition saying that {} also initializes empty records and sets, as we just have discussed. |
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(0013299) Jacob Wieland - Spirent (reporter) 24-09-2015 16:56 |
First question: Why is the text about structurd types (for completely initialized definition) in a NOTE while the one for simple types isn't? Secondly: I still think this text leaves the question open whether or not an empty record/set type or a record of/set of/array type with min length 0 is already completely initialized without assigning {}. Since mathematically, the first sentence already applies to these types (all elements or fields - the empty set here - have been completely initialized), that sentence alone does not force any additional action for complete initialization. The following sentence is also no further restriction on this. It says, that if you initialize with {}, then it is completely initialized, but that is not a necessary condition for completely initialized, just a valid one. I'm missing something like "at least" or "only", saying that for empty record/set types, for them to become completely initialized they HAVE to be assigned {} and the same for record of/set of/array types. |
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(0013300) Jacob Wieland - Spirent (reporter) 25-09-2015 09:57 |
changed the wording of completely initialized to be less ambiguous. please review |
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(0013313) Gyorgy Rethy (reporter) 25-09-2015 13:56 edited on: 25-09-2015 15:38 |
Now, in CR7172_resolution_v5.docx I have separated the cases: simple type, unions, record/set-s and record/set of-s, as we discussed. I think that trying to define common rules for record/set and record/set of-s was one of the source of the problems as they are, in fact, completely different constructs. I have restored the NOTE that now lists "the solutions" for some interesting/specific cases. I hope that this, together with the definition of initialization solves the empty record/set issue. If not, then we will have to insert a sentence about initialization of empty record/sets to clauses 6.2.1 and 6.2.2. |
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(0013330) Jacob Wieland - Spirent (reporter) 26-09-2015 11:40 |
Unfortunately, the mandatory definition text is still implying that empty structured types are completely initialized even without assignment (all their elements/fields HAVE been completely initialized). The NOTE contradicts this and is thus more restrictive. The last sentence that completely initialized implies "at least partially initialized" is necessary as for partially initialized it is necessary that at least one field/element has been partially initialized. For empty values, that is not true, therefore, it must be stated explicitly somewhere. |
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(0013378) Gyorgy Rethy (reporter) 13-10-2015 16:50 |
See CR7172_resolution_v6.docx. I have no better idea than slicing the cases further on to empty and non-empty record/set-s. jacob, if you have further comment, please come up with a concrete text proposal in a new version of the file. |
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(0013379) Jacob Wieland - Spirent (reporter) 13-10-2015 17:26 |
I have added another proposal that, in my opinion, is airtight regarding this issue. |
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(0013380) Jacob Wieland - Spirent (reporter) 13-10-2015 17:27 |
please review and resolve |
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(0013419) Jens Grabowski (manager) 15-10-2015 15:50 |
I am sorry, the more I am reading the resolutions the less I understand it. I understand that variables or parameters can be uninitialized, partially initialized or completely initialized, but I don’t understand how a value can be uninitialized, partially initialized or completely initialized. A variable has a type which defines the possible set of values for this variable (its domain). Uninitialized means that you can say nothing about the relation between value of the variable and its domain. Completely initialized means that the variable value represents exactly one value in the domain of the variable. Partially initialized means that parts of the variable value are known, i.e., are completely initialized, and that other parts remain uninitialized. Maybe it is easier to argue along this line instead of making examples for all kinds of types. |
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(0013422) Jacob Wieland - Spirent (reporter) 16-10-2015 08:42 |
added another version which defines three disjoint states: uninitialized, partially initialized (only possible for structured types) and completely initialized. The attached NOTES are just for clarification of the special cases. The definitions should reflect our requirements. please review once more. |
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(0013428) Jens Grabowski (manager) 16-10-2015 10:55 |
I can live with this definition. |
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(0013447) Gyorgy Rethy (reporter) 02-11-2015 15:56 |
CR7172_resolution_v9.docx: I have made the different options of initialization a note as Jens proposed (no change in text). I changed partially initialized: - we say that completely initialized things are also fulfils partially initialized criteria, while the new text for partially initialized excluded this (saying that it is uninitialized and not completely initialized. - I prefer some direct definition instead of saying that it is not uninitialized (it seems to be obvious, in this case no definition would be needed). |
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(0013460) Jacob Wieland - Spirent (reporter) 03-11-2015 10:46 |
replaced "no content initialization" with "no initialization of it or at least one of its parts" in the definition of uninitialized. content initialization is too ambiguous (someone might think that only content initialization can change the state from uninitialized to not uninitialized, but the assignment of {} does not initialize content, but still initializes). Also deleted superfluous sub-sentence about omit in the values section (according to Jens's comment). |
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(0013616) Gyorgy Rethy (reporter) 14-12-2015 13:03 |
Added to drfat V4.7.4 |
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| Date Modified | Username | Field | Change |
| 10-09-2015 10:35 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | New Issue | |
| 21-09-2015 09:51 | Gyorgy Rethy | Project | TTCN-3 Change Requests => Part 01: TTCN-3 Core Language |
| 21-09-2015 10:26 | Gyorgy Rethy | Target Version | => v4.8.1 (published 2016-07) |
| 22-09-2015 10:12 | Gyorgy Rethy | Tag Attached: technically agreed | |
| 22-09-2015 10:13 | Gyorgy Rethy | Note Added: 0013235 | |
| 22-09-2015 10:13 | Gyorgy Rethy | Assigned To | => Gyorgy Rethy |
| 22-09-2015 10:13 | Gyorgy Rethy | Status | new => assigned |
| 23-09-2015 17:54 | Gyorgy Rethy | File Added: CR7172_resolution_v1.docx | |
| 23-09-2015 17:56 | Gyorgy Rethy | Note Added: 0013280 | |
| 23-09-2015 17:56 | Gyorgy Rethy | Assigned To | Gyorgy Rethy => Jacob Wieland - Spirent |
| 23-09-2015 17:56 | Gyorgy Rethy | Status | assigned => confirmed |
| 23-09-2015 17:56 | Gyorgy Rethy | Product Version | => v4.7.1 (published 2015-06) |
| 24-09-2015 10:53 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | Note Added: 0013286 | |
| 24-09-2015 10:53 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | Assigned To | Jacob Wieland - Spirent => Gyorgy Rethy |
| 24-09-2015 10:53 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | Status | confirmed => assigned |
| 24-09-2015 15:33 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | File Added: CR7172_resolution_v2.docx | |
| 24-09-2015 16:36 | Gyorgy Rethy | File Added: CR7172_resolution_v3.docx | |
| 24-09-2015 16:39 | Gyorgy Rethy | Note Added: 0013298 | |
| 24-09-2015 16:39 | Gyorgy Rethy | Assigned To | Gyorgy Rethy => Jacob Wieland - Spirent |
| 24-09-2015 16:39 | Gyorgy Rethy | Status | assigned => confirmed |
| 24-09-2015 16:56 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | Note Added: 0013299 | |
| 25-09-2015 09:51 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | File Added: CR7172_resolution_v4.docx | |
| 25-09-2015 09:55 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | File Deleted: CR7172_resolution_v4.docx | |
| 25-09-2015 09:55 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | File Added: CR7172_resolution_v4.docx | |
| 25-09-2015 09:56 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | Status | confirmed => assigned |
| 25-09-2015 09:57 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | Note Added: 0013300 | |
| 25-09-2015 09:57 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | Assigned To | Jacob Wieland - Spirent => Gyorgy Rethy |
| 25-09-2015 09:57 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | Status | assigned => confirmed |
| 25-09-2015 13:50 | Gyorgy Rethy | File Added: CR7172_resolution_v5.docx | |
| 25-09-2015 13:56 | Gyorgy Rethy | Note Added: 0013313 | |
| 25-09-2015 13:57 | Gyorgy Rethy | Assigned To | Gyorgy Rethy => Jacob Wieland - Spirent |
| 25-09-2015 15:38 | Gyorgy Rethy | Note Edited: 0013313 | View Revisions |
| 26-09-2015 11:40 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | Note Added: 0013330 | |
| 26-09-2015 12:16 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | Assigned To | Jacob Wieland - Spirent => Gyorgy Rethy |
| 26-09-2015 12:16 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | Status | confirmed => assigned |
| 13-10-2015 16:42 | Gyorgy Rethy | File Added: CR7172_resolution_v6.docx | |
| 13-10-2015 16:50 | Gyorgy Rethy | Note Added: 0013378 | |
| 13-10-2015 16:50 | Gyorgy Rethy | File Deleted: CR7172_resolution_v6.docx | |
| 13-10-2015 16:54 | Gyorgy Rethy | File Added: CR7172_resolution_v6.docx | |
| 13-10-2015 16:54 | Gyorgy Rethy | Assigned To | Gyorgy Rethy => Jacob Wieland - Spirent |
| 13-10-2015 16:54 | Gyorgy Rethy | Status | assigned => confirmed |
| 13-10-2015 17:26 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | File Added: CR7172_resolution_v7.docx | |
| 13-10-2015 17:26 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | Note Added: 0013379 | |
| 13-10-2015 17:27 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | Assigned To | Jacob Wieland - Spirent => Gyorgy Rethy |
| 13-10-2015 17:27 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | Status | confirmed => assigned |
| 13-10-2015 17:27 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | Note Added: 0013380 | |
| 13-10-2015 17:27 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | Assigned To | Gyorgy Rethy => Jens Grabowski |
| 13-10-2015 17:27 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | Status | assigned => confirmed |
| 15-10-2015 15:50 | Jens Grabowski | Note Added: 0013419 | |
| 15-10-2015 15:51 | Jens Grabowski | Assigned To | Jens Grabowski => Gyorgy Rethy |
| 15-10-2015 15:51 | Jens Grabowski | Status | confirmed => assigned |
| 16-10-2015 08:39 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | File Added: CR7172_resolution_v8.docx | |
| 16-10-2015 08:42 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | Note Added: 0013422 | |
| 16-10-2015 08:43 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | Assigned To | Gyorgy Rethy => Jens Grabowski |
| 16-10-2015 08:43 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | Status | assigned => confirmed |
| 16-10-2015 10:54 | Jens Grabowski | File Added: CR7172_resolution_v8-Comments.docx | |
| 16-10-2015 10:55 | Jens Grabowski | Note Added: 0013428 | |
| 16-10-2015 10:55 | Jens Grabowski | Assigned To | Jens Grabowski => Gyorgy Rethy |
| 16-10-2015 10:55 | Jens Grabowski | Status | confirmed => assigned |
| 16-10-2015 13:26 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | Assigned To | Gyorgy Rethy => Jacob Wieland - Spirent |
| 16-10-2015 13:26 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | Assigned To | Jacob Wieland - Spirent => Gyorgy Rethy |
| 16-10-2015 13:26 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | Status | assigned => confirmed |
| 02-11-2015 15:48 | Gyorgy Rethy | File Added: CR7172_resolution_v9.docx | |
| 02-11-2015 15:56 | Gyorgy Rethy | Note Added: 0013447 | |
| 02-11-2015 15:56 | Gyorgy Rethy | Assigned To | Gyorgy Rethy => Jacob Wieland - Spirent |
| 02-11-2015 15:56 | Gyorgy Rethy | Status | confirmed => assigned |
| 02-11-2015 15:58 | Gyorgy Rethy | File Deleted: CR7172_resolution_v9.docx | |
| 02-11-2015 15:58 | Gyorgy Rethy | File Added: CR7172_resolution_v9.docx | |
| 03-11-2015 10:42 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | File Added: CR7172_resolution_v10.docx | |
| 03-11-2015 10:46 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | Note Added: 0013460 | |
| 03-11-2015 10:46 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | Status | assigned => resolved |
| 03-11-2015 10:46 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | Fixed in Version | => v4.8.1 (published 2016-07) |
| 03-11-2015 10:46 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | Resolution | open => fixed |
| 03-11-2015 10:46 | Jacob Wieland - Spirent | Assigned To | Jacob Wieland - Spirent => Gyorgy Rethy |
| 14-12-2015 13:03 | Gyorgy Rethy | Note Added: 0013616 | |
| 14-12-2015 13:03 | Gyorgy Rethy | Status | resolved => closed |
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